[Faras]

Voilà :

Merci d'avance, d'autant que j'ai moi même des fautes d'anglais assez énormes à corriger , je m'en suis rendu compte en prenant des screens.


Bref , à part ça :

Spoiler:

Hello guys ! We are back for a new RIRSEI Dev Diary !

Today, we will focus on a major change added by this mod on an extremely important set of events of the Middle Ages which have been totally left over by the vanilla : the Investiture Controversy.
(Also excuse the errors of translation and the grammatical mistakes in the screens, they will be taken care of ASAP)

To a newcommer, the Investiture Controversy is a relatively minor set of events of the Middle Ages, especially at the time of such massive events like Crusades or the Viking Age or the Reconquista . But what was really the Investiture Controversy ?

You see, back in the 11th century and prior, the Papal power was relatively weak . The Church was often subservient to the various states, and even the Pope was merely symbolc in his role of Leader of Christendom. In fact, he was often subservient to the Emperor (who thinks of himself as the Roman Emperor, the Monarcha Mundi, the Ruler of the World, as we saw in the first dev Diary). The Popes were even sometimes directly named by the Emperors if needed .

Thus, the power of the Pope was weak, and often the various monarchs (especially the Emperor) named the bishops in their realm , granting them their investiture as priests. It allowed to name loyal (since their power came from the monarch) subjects at the head of vast swathes of land , rather than the unreliable feudal vassals.

However, by the 11th century (même si ca commence un peu avant), things changed. The Popes strenghtened their power on their Church . A time of reformation has come, and soon the Pope will be a major player in European politics.

In the mod, this time of reformation is announced by event :

https://imgur.com/a/sp0pA

From this point on, the Pope will launch a struggle against the Emperor to outlaw the nomination of bishops by the temporal lords (the so called Investiture Controversy) . But this is merely a pretext. Actually, the Investiture Controversy was a pretext to launch a much more important fight, the struggle between the Church and the State .

You see, the Papal chancellery has fabricated an apocryphal document by the 10th century, the so called "Donation of Constantine" . This fake (but extremely well done) document claims that Constantine Ist (the most revered Emperor in the Middle Ages) gave the Imperial power to the Pope in the West, while he himself ruled from Constantinople in the East . By using this document, the Pope claimed that he was the equal, or even superior in dignity than the Emperor (the supreme temporal ruler). He claimed that in the name of God , all christian monarchs shall be subservient to him.

Thus, the Investiture Controversy was a battle between the temporal head of Christendom, the Emperor, and its spiritual head, the Pope , both claiming to rule Christendom in the name of God and they were superior to each other .

In the mod, after a certain amount of time , an event will fire, exiging that the Emperor concede the victory to the Pope in this conflict.

https://imgur.com/a/uZ2a2

https://imgur.com/a/5GUlI

https://imgur.com/a/65qV3

You can choose to oppose him and become excommunicated, or accept and thus losing the struggle. (et même au-delà, le Pape déliant de leur serment de vassalité les sujets de l'Empereur, représenté par un malus supplémentaire de relation. Les grands vassaux vont en profiter du mieux qu'ils peuvent)

For the Emperor to win, he must not cede to the exigences of the Pope for 45 years while being excommunicated , which is no small feat , I an assure you . But if he wins, he will get many bonuses, and his authority over Christendom will become unchallenged . But I will let you discover this yourself

If the Emperor cede in a way or another, the Papacy win the Investiture Controversy (as it did historically). The Empire is severly weakened, and the Pope has won the first round of the conflict between Church and State .

https://imgur.com/a/opL65

If the Pope win, catholic monarchs can "swear fealty" to him, become his ""vassals"" , giving them several bonuses but also somewhat restraining them on some matters. But I will let you discover the downsides of this trait.

https://imgur.com/a/RyiU6

https://imgur.com/a/3K1dN

But the struggle between the Church and the State does not end here . The Investiture Controversy was the first step. The Pope will quietly continue to build his theocracy over the catholic Kingdoms - until it is too late.

https://imgur.com/a/qBIZI

But a powerful catholic ruler can decide otherwise and oppose the papal agenda !

https://imgur.com/a/Css9h

However, if none of the catholic Kingdoms were strong enough to resist, the Papacy definitely win the struggle between the Church and the State. He vassalise all the Kings who has the trait "vassal of Saint Peter" and has now a free casus belli on all the independant christians to unite Christendom under his banner.

In the end , there are several different endings for this struggle - Imperial victory, Papal victory and stalemate. This struggle can definitely change european politics by strenghtening considerably the power of the Pope or the Emperor, but it can also secure the independance of the catholic monarchs towards both .

That is all for today ! Have a nice week !

Credits : Faras, mod leader
Mouchi & Mat, slav... collaborators
And many other, who helped in a way or another.

[Valyrian_Knight01]

Merci d'avance, d'autant que j'ai moi même des fautes d'anglais assez énormes à corriger , je m'en suis rendu compte en prenant des screens.


Bref , à part ça :

Spoiler:

Hello guys ! We are back for a new RIRSEI Dev Diary !

Today, we will focus on a major change added by this mod on an extremely important set of events of the Middle Ages which have been totally left over by the vanilla : the Investiture Controversy.
(Also excuse the errors of translation and the grammatical mistakes in the screens, they will be taken care of ASAP)

To a newcommer, the Investiture Controversy is a relatively minor set of events of the Middle Ages, especially at the time of such massive events like Crusades or the Viking Age or the Reconquista . But what was really the Investiture Controversy ?

You see, back in the 11th century and prior, the Papal power was relatively weak . The Church was often subservient to the various states, and even the Pope was merely symbolc in his role of Leader of Christendom. In fact, he was often subservient to the Emperor (who thinks of himself as the Roman Emperor, the Rex Mundi, the Ruler of the World, as we saw in the first dev Diary). The Popes were even sometimes directly named by the Emperors if needed .

Thus, the power of the Pope was weak, and often the various monarchs (especially the Emperor) named the bishops in their realm , granting them their investiture as priests. It allowed to name loyal (since their power came from the monarch) subjects at the head of vast swathes of land , rather than the unreliable feudal vassals.

However, by the 10th century, things changed. The Popes strenghtened their power on their Church . A time of reformation has come, and soon the Pope will be a major player in European politics.

In the mod, this time of reformation is announced by event :

https://imgur.com/a/sp0pA

From this point on, the Pope will launch a struggle against the Emperor to outlaw the nomination of bishops by the temporal lords (the so called Investiture Controversy) . But this is merely a pretext. Actually, the Investiture Controversy was a pretext to launch a much more important fight, the struggle between the Church and the State .

You see, the Papal chancellery has fabricated an apocryphal document by the 10th century, the so called "Donation of Constantine" . This fake (but extremely well done) document claims that Constantine Ist (the most revered Emperor in the Middle Ages) gave the Imperial power to the Pope in the West, while he himself ruled from Constantinople in the East . By using this document, the Pope claimed that he was the equal, or even superior in dignity than the Emperor (the supreme temporal ruler). He claimed that in the name of God , all christian monarchs shall be subservient to him.

Thus, the Investiture Controversy was a battle between the temporal head of Christendom, the Emperor, and its spiritual head, the Pope , both claiming to rule Christendom in the name of God and they were superior to each other .

In the mod, after a certain amount of time , an event will fire, exiging that the Emperor concede the victory to the Pope in this conflict.

https://imgur.com/a/uZ2a2

https://imgur.com/a/5GUlI

https://imgur.com/a/65qV3

You can choose to oppose him and become excommunicated, or accept and thus losing the struggle .

For the Emperor to win, he must not cede to the exigences of the Pope for 45 years while being excommunicated , which is no small feat , I an assure you . But if he wins, he will get many bonuses, and his authority over Christendom will become unchallenged . But I will let you discover this yourself

If the Emperor cede in a way or another, the Papacy win the Investiture Controversy (as it did historically). The Empire is severly weakened, and the Pope has won the first round of the conflict between Church and State .

https://imgur.com/a/opL65

If the Pope win, catholic monarchs can "swear fealty" to him, become his ""vassals"" , giving them several bonuses but also somewhat restraining them on some matters. But I will let you discover the downsides of this trait.

https://imgur.com/a/RyiU6

https://imgur.com/a/3K1dN

But the struggle between the Church and the State does not end here . The Investiture Controversy was the first step. The Pope will quietly continue to build his theocracy over the catholic Kingdoms - until it is too late.

https://imgur.com/a/qBIZI

But a powerful catholic ruler can decide otherwise and oppose the papal agenda !

https://imgur.com/a/Css9h

However, if none of the catholic Kingdoms were strong enough to resist, the Papacy definitely win the struggle between the Church and the State. He vassalise all the Kings who has the trait "vassal of Saint Peter" and has now a free casus belli on all the independant christians to unite Christendom under his banneer.

In the end , there are several different endings for this struggle - Imperial victory, Papal victory and stalemate. This struggle can definitely change european politics by strenghtening considerably the power of the Pope or the Emperor, but it can also secure the independance of the catholic monarchs towards both .

That is all for today ! Have a nice week !

Credits : Faras, mod leader
Mouchi & Mat, slav... collaborators
And many other, who helped in a way or another.

[Faras]

Valyrian_Knight01 : Il faut que je pense à t'envoyer le fichier bêta, mais il faut que je me relise avant pour les fôtes, toussa.

Hop, les Croates, fait avec difficulté (et il manque le dernier palier) :

[Valyrian_Knight01]

Hum d'ailleurs j'y pense mais n'hésitez pas à m'envoyer les trucs que Faras à fait à traduire, vu que j'ai énormément de temps libre, ce sera fait comme ça .

[Valyrian_Knight01]

> Demande d'arrêter de modder des barbares
> Demande de modder les sarasins

Pick one

[supermenteur]

Bon mon Faras tu as fini de trainer avec les barbares? Reviens modder les ayyarum!!!!

[Limse]

Meilleur oeuvre hongroise

[pol_ak 47]

Très bien, plus rien à dire, alors !

[Faras]

La militia portalis est le titre du bâtiment de rang 8 qui accompagne l'armée noire J'ai mêlé les deux, puisque de toute façon, la militia portalis est aussi utilisé par Corvin.

[pol_ak 47]

Pour la Pologne, clairement, il y a eu des phases où de facto elle n'était pas en mesure de s'opposer aux prétentions impériales, et des phases où de jure l'empire estimait qu'il avait toute sa place chez elle. Flemme de développer, Godwin l'ayant déjà fait. La question de la frontière de l'empire à l'est est très souvent floue, surtout au Xe ou au XIe. En tout cas, des tributs ont bien été versés, effectivement ; même si la Pologne a réussi assez vite à se dégager de l'emprise germanique en allant du côté du pape.
Juste : chez les Hongrois, il y a, en complément de la Banderia, des réformes qui sont faites sous Sigismond, avec la mise en place de milices paysannes plus importantes a priori que ce que l'on ne pensait jusqu'à ces dernières années (Militia Portalis, si je dis pas de conneries). Ca faisait d'ailleurs râler les nobles, vu que le pouvoir royal n'hésitait pas à lever des milices sans leur accord, en jouant aussi sur les cordons de la bourse, même si bien entendu, la cavalerie demeurait la grande force du royaume.

[Faras]

Hongrie (c'est la partie facile avec la Bulgarie). A noter qu'en tech 8 et avec l'autorité absolue, le dernier bâtiment militaire vous débloque l'Armée Noire, qui fait plutôt mal.

[Faras]

Pour compléter, j'avais lu dans A. Demurger qu'à partir de Boleslaw, la Pologne était considéré comme en quelque sorte demi-vassalisé (par les empereurs, de leur point de vue, hein), reconnaissant la supériorité de l'empereur et payant tribut de temps en temps.

[Godwinsson]

Chrobry était en effet roi (1025). Cependant, son fils perd la couronne suite à une révolte et une invasion extérieure, elle ne sera récupérée que par Bolesław II. Elle sera reperdue après que celui-ci soit bannit.
Le titre "Regnum Poloniae" existe encore, mais de fait aucun roi entre Bolesław II et Władysław Łokietek n'est couronné roi, sans compter le bref épisode de Przemysł II. Pour diverses raisons, allant de l'éclatement en principautés (Au XIIè) et de diverses interférences extérieures.
Enfin, last but not least, la question de la vassalisation. Il y a pas eu de vassalisation "classique". Mais il est arrivé à quelques reprises qu'un Empereur se pointe pour s'affirmer. Par exemple, Frédéric Barberousse a obligé Bolesław Kędzierzawy a se prosterner à genoux devant lui, demander pardon et payer un indémnisation/tribut. Bien qu'il est reconnu son droit de senior ensuite. Fréderic Barborossa a lancé une autre expédition en Pologne en 1184 par ailleurs. Donc il y a bien eu des interventions impériales en Pologne, mais ouais, "semi-vassalisation" est ptêt un peu fort.
Quand à ce truc de frontière "stable", y a pas eu que la Silésie. Il y a eu pas mal de conflits entre le Branderbourg et les ducs de Grande-Pologne et Pomérélie, notamment fin XIIIè/début XIVè. L'Empereur ne faisait pas chier mais les féodaux allemand si.

[Valyrian_Knight01]

Merci , j'ai tout corrigé

Un type m'a fait la remarque suivante à propos de la Pologne :

" From Bolesław Chrobry, Poland was known as Kingdom of Poland (Regnum Poloniae). Moreover, even when it was ruled by dukes, it was KINGDOM (not DUCHY!) of Poland.

"Vassalization" of Poland by Holy Roman Empire is utter bullshit. Poland was never vassalised by HRE, de facto or de jure. To be true, Poland-HRE was one of the most stable borders in medieval Europe, except for Bohemian-Polish wars over Silesia. "

Je lui réponds un truc précis où je me contente de mentionner le fait que les Empereurs ont forcé l'abandon du titre de Roi , donnant lieu à une espèce de semi - vassalisation ? Je connais pas assez l'histoire du Regnum Polakorum pour dire grand chose de plus :-3

[Faras]

Valyrian_Knight01 : C'est parti :

Merci messieurs pour vos explications

Même si du coup, va pas y avoir grand chose à corriger en fait, parce que je décris essentiellement les mécanismes du mod , mais bon, voilà ce que ça donnerait :

Spoiler:

Hello guys !

We are back for a new RIRSEI Dev Diary !

In the former Dev Diaries, we talked about Emperors and Caliphs, and the mechanisms linked to them. But what about the Kings of Europe ?

The RIRSEI mod reserved them quite an important place , and several mechanics are linked to them.

CREATING A KINGDOM

You see, creating a Kingdom out of nowhere is not something you usually do, specially if you are a recently christianised nation . You need recognition for this title (except if you don't give a shit like the Norman Kings of Sicily, but you know Ah sisisi, ils ont demandés et ils l'ont eu, avant que Roger trahisse le Pape deux jours après son couronnement, je crois, y'a aussi le cas Portuguais, ou il se déclare roi et prie de tout son coeur que le pape le reconnaisse avant que le Castillan lui tape dessus ). The recognition must come from a higher authority, which will grant you the right to call yourself King (Rex plutôt, les anglo-saxons c'est encore à part). There are not many superior authorities in the Christian worlds that are superior to the King : The Emperors or the Pope, and you must ask them to be crowned (tu peux leur citer l'exemple tardif de Charles le Téméraire : aussi puissant qu'un roi, et même plus puissant que l'empereur : mais il dut aller quémander une couronne (d'abord celle de Bourgogne, après celle de Lotharingie) au pape et à l'empereur...sans succès ! (merci Louis XI) Tout n'est pas qu'une question de force, mais aussi de légitimité et de reconnaissance)

This is why , in the mod, to create a new Kingdom (IE : which has not been held before the starting date ) , you must ask the Pope (if you are catholic ) or the Basileus (if you are orthodox ) to grant you a new , royal crown !

This mechanic applies for the Kingdoms of Croatia, Hungary, Serbia and Poland. (+ la Bohême si indépendante marche sur le même principe au passage.J'aimerais aussi ajouter la lithuanie, mais ca sera fait après )

Note that in the Middle Ages, the title "Rex" /"Regas" was strongly linked to christianity (through Roman legacy) , and this is why being christian is necessary to take the title of "Rex" , King (The pagan Slavic people tend to use "Knyaz" or "Great Knyaz" , which is more analogic to "Prince" than to "King" ). The title of "Rex" is also pretty sacralised and above avery nobles or clan leaders, making it pretty appealing in comparison to the "Knyaz" for exemple.

Hungary :

https://imgur.com/a/xRBfc

https://imgur.com/a/7Qn61

Croatia :

https://imgur.com/a/UPiva

https://imgur.com/a/hsDym

However , if you are not a King yet , if you are Christian, you should worry about it. Because if the (Western) Emperor is powerful , he will try to enforce his title of leader of christians upon you. In other words , you will receive an event, leaving you two choices : submission (vassalisation by the Emperor) or resistance (the Emperor is granted a strong claim on your title).

https://imgur.com/a/utlbT

The coronation as a King can put theses claims to a halt, and secure your independance. It should thus be your priority .
The reason behind this is that it is much more difficult for an Emperor to interfere in a realm with a well established and rightfull authority . It is thus a De Facto way of securing independance . Historically, the Emperors tried to abolish the Kingdoms around them to facilitate their interference (like Poland, for exemple) .

MERGING KINGDOMS

Several mechanics exist to merge some Kingdoms into one De Jure under specific conditions.

For exemple, the King of France, if he is prestigious, can integrate the Kingdom of Aquitaine De Jure into the Kingdom of France after 900 AD. The reason for this is that the heirs of the Frankish Kings usually named their heir Kings of Aquitaine to buy favors of southern France population. But after a while , the population recognized themselves in the title of King of Franks, and the Frankish Kings abandonned the title of Kings of Aquitaine .

The same mechanic exist for Germany / the Kingdom of Bavaria.

Also, a powerful Spanish King holding several Kingdom of Spain can unite all his crowns in a *union de armas* , becoming the Rex Totus Hispanica (C'est pas Rex Totius Hispaniae ?), the King of all Spains , taking the old Visigothic monarchy as a model.

http://imgur.com/K6BYghr

On the same principle, a King uniting all the Northern Kingdoms (Denmark, Sweden, Norway ) can proclaim himself King of the Northern mens (Rex Normannorum)

RESTORATION OF KINGDOMS

Kingdoms who have fallen and has been forgotten can be restored. A powerful and prestigious Duke of Aquitaine or Duke of Britanny can , if he is independent , restore their respective Kingdoms and take away their land from the Kingdom of France.

https://imgur.com/a/AySD9

Note that if the Duke of Britanny is independant in 1066 and 867 , his land is De Jure associated to the King of France (oulalala, non : il est indépendant à l'onglet de charlemagne, puis 867, mais vassal en 1066. La Bretagne existe comme royaume de jure pendant les deux premeirs onglets, mais elle est intégrée de jure au royaume de france dès 1066. Si y'en a un qui râle à propos de ca, tu lui diras que l'abée suger ET l'invasion de l'Empire début XIIème atteste de la vassalité (et le de jure) de la Bretagne). He thus must become King to avoid vassalisation by France, who can exige it by event.

You can also, if you are a celtic dynasty on the throne of Britain, you can take the title of Brytenwalda, King of the Brittons, who has been forgotten due to the Anglo Saxon and Norman invasions (Alors ca non, j'ai changé ça suite à des remarques, le titre de Brytenwalda est en fait anglo-saxon. En gros, si un celte prend le trône d'Angleterre, ca devient 'Regnum Britanniae" (Royaume de Bretagne), et le titre est roi des bretons (Rex Britonnum).

SPECIFIC MECHANICS

Some mechanics are specifi to the 1066 start date , namely for Poland and Bohemia.

Poland

In 1066, the Polish monarch has a title of King, but the name of the Polish Kingdom is "Ducatus Poloniae", "Duchy of Poland" . The reason behind this is that the Emperors made the Kings renounce to their title of King and forced them to become Duke instead . Thus, the Emperor enforces a half - vassalisation of Poland (who was vassalsed by words and law, even if it was not actually vassalised ).
Thus, the first step fot the instauration of an independant, strong Polish monarchy is to manage to regain the title of King , by asking the Pope for a Royal Crown . Make Poland Great Again !

https://imgur.com/a/ornlp

https://imgur.com/a/MMUAi

However , if you do not manage to gather enough power for this, the Empire might try to complete the vassalisation of Poland and exige your submission.

Bohemia

In 1066, the integration of Bohemia in the Empire is well accepted . However, Bohemia has a particular place in the Empire , by its status of great powerful principality . The construction of a powerful monarchy by the Dukes of Bohemia led them to historically ask a Royal Crown to the Emperor .

In the mod, you can ask a Royal Crown to the Emperor (but you need good relations with him) or to the Pope (angering the Emperor greatly) . One of the two will then grant you the dignity of Rex !

https://imgur.com/a/WYeG1

Both of theses Kingdoms can lend claims on each other's lands , claiming the leadership on the Slavic people, basing their claims on the fallen Great Moravia , both claiming to be its heir. ( Nan, nan, c'est deux choses différentes : de l'onglet de Charlemagne jusqu'en 1066, les polonais et les tchèques ont un casus belli l'un sur l'autre, pour simuler le fait que chacun d'entre-eux voulaient la direction des peuples slaves au tout début. Ensuite, un roi de Bohême puissant peut utiliser le précédent de la Moravie pour réclamer la Silésie et quelques bouts de la Hongrie, tout simplement).


That is all for today ! There are also other mechanics involved in various Kingdoms, notably the Kingdom of France ans Spain, but we will talk about it later. Have a nice day !


Credits : Faras, mod leader
Mouchi & Mat, slav... collaborators
And many other, who helped in a way or another